This shit. 100 times this shit.

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura)
10/23/2017 at 23:13 • Filed to: None

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CB > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/23/2017 at 23:19

What? People skills are most important when working in a team environment? Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense.

/Why I hated my grocery job

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/23/2017 at 23:22

Perhaps, but often times it seems the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Some businesses are so non-confrontational internally that the aforementioned people can thrive, or at the very least somehow never ever ever get fired.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > CB
10/23/2017 at 23:25

We see it all the time though.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/23/2017 at 23:29

You just need more true-alpha personalities in management positions

DipodomysDeserti > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/23/2017 at 23:33

I get what he’s saying, but on the other end of the spectrum, you get very personable people who are totally fucking useless in a work environment. This people are especially prevalent in sales. Tons of people skills, but complete morons in all other respects.

CB > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/23/2017 at 23:35

Just going off of two managers I had working at two different minimum wage jobs: one acted like everything was on fire all the time, everything was a problem, everything was a burden, most of her employees couldn’t be trusted to do their jobs right, explained things like the employees were idiots, et cetera. The other was more down to earth, knew that when problems arose could be fixed, would discuss what needed to be done and made sure everyone was on the same page, and believed his employees could get their work done right even without him there. Guess which manager was more respected by their employees, and which job had a more positive work environment?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > DipodomysDeserti
10/23/2017 at 23:35

Take another extreme: people who know how to schmooze, but don’t necessarily know their product.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > DipodomysDeserti
10/23/2017 at 23:46

But isn’t having people skills the cornerstone of sales though? What? You want them to do paperwork better? That’s not what they’re there for.

My bird IS the word > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/23/2017 at 23:49

What do I have to do to go work for this guy?

No excuse for assholes in the workplace.

DipodomysDeserti > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/24/2017 at 00:05

Depends on the industry. Some sales jobs require more functional knowledge than others. I come from the printing industry where personable but moronic sales people can really fuck you over.

DipodomysDeserti > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/24/2017 at 00:06

Exactly. I come from the printing industry where not knowing your product can seriously hurt the company you sell for.

Thomas Donohue > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/24/2017 at 08:35

He had me until “we’re an HR driven workplace”. HR is a foundation, but it doesn’t drive the business. Perhaps it was the implementation, but the two places I worked at with that mentality were the most F-d up places I’ve ever been. They don’t exist anymore.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DipodomysDeserti
10/24/2017 at 09:34

as a person (who started in technical sales) from printing/light manufacturing ops and product development who had do CONSTANTLY deal with the customer telling me “...but sales said it was no problemmmm” and quit at least partly as a result of that: AMEN.

benjrblant > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/24/2017 at 11:16

This exactly describes my current employer. Management straight up refuses to confront underperforming or non-performing employees and just hopes the situation will correct itself. The only employees that have been fired are because either 1) another employee threatened to sue the company for sexual harassment or 2) the employee started a fistfight with another employee.

If you show up, don’t call someone a c***, and don’t punch anyone, you could very well be employeed here the rest of your life, getting the same measley annual raise as every other non-management employee, regardless of your performance.

/rant.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > benjrblant
10/24/2017 at 11:32

Yes, it makes other workers not want to work as hard either, because why should they?

Depending on the scope of the job, the good workers have to pick up all the slack, and then they become bitter and morale dips or the good ones quit.

WiscoProud > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
10/24/2017 at 12:07

Definitely depends on the type of sales job. If you’re pushing mattresses, a personality is all that’s needed. But if you’re in a technical field, and will need to scope a job to figure out how much to charge, I really need someone smart. At my company we’re routinely brought in to scope the jobs, because the sales people barely understand what we do.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > WiscoProud
10/24/2017 at 22:51

I consider a certain level of technical understanding to be part of the job description. When salespeople don’t have working product knowledge they’re not doing their jobs. I feel like Vayner’s point is more about interaction among peers. Imagine the top guy literally coming in and shitting on his coworkers every second of every day. That’s what he’s trying to avoid.